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Comment by Jon Arild Tørresdal on "Are SharePoint Developers Unable To Be Real Craftsmen?"

suppressed@unknown.org (Jon Arild Tørresdal) — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:22:20 GMT

Einar, Let me know how that works out for you. Would be interesting. Also, maybe an interesting talk for NNUG? Clean code in SharePoint?

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Comment by Einar Ingebrigtsen on "Are SharePoint Developers Unable To Be Real Craftsmen?"

suppressed@unknown.org (Einar Ingebrigtsen) — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:22:24 GMT

Great post and point. This topic is something that worries me a lot these days. I'm most likely scheduled to start on a SharePoint project for the first time, and really need to figure out how I can still be a craftsman in that area. Typemock seems to be the only real alternative, I'd love to see Microsoft include something like that and create some guidelines and best practices around it for their next release of SharePoint.

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Comment by Jon Arild Tørresdal on "Are SharePoint Developers Unable To Be Real Craftsmen?"

suppressed@unknown.org (Jon Arild Tørresdal) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:06:03 GMT

Andrew, I hear you. I can't disagree cause as I said I don't develop in/for SharePoint. However, I would like to see a better SharePoint solution in the future where one (end user solution) does not exclude the other (developer friendly platform). My main reason for this is that SharePoint developers working in .NET (especially new devs) will adapt practices which is not accepted on other projects.

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Comment by Andrew Woodward on "Are SharePoint Developers Unable To Be Real Craftsmen?"

suppressed@unknown.org (Andrew Woodward) — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:54:43 GMT

Jon, its refreshing such a change to hear people talking about software craftmanship. I agree SharePoint as a enterprise application platform is not ideal, tools like Typemock aid with this (they cost, but so does SharePoint). I think being a software craftsman you aim to have to tools, design practices and thought process in place to deal with often difficult (nee wicked) problems. SharePoint is not unique here, and you do ask the right question. The aim of any developer is to add value to the business, if the platform achieves much of this then the extra effort in doing SharePoint development right definately is worth it. IMHO Andrew

Posted by: Andrew Woodward